Tuesday, May 30, 2017

What Do We Want? $15/hr. When Do We Want It? NOW!!!

If you don't watch the Tucker Carlson Show on the FOX network, or didn't happen to catch this particular show, then you'll want to check this out. For those not wishing to read such a large quantity of text because it just hurts their brains, I'm also including the video link here. Take your pick. 

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Tucker Carslon Show – May 29, 2017
Interview w/ Mike Rowe, ie: $15/hr. Minimum wage issue

Carlson – Well, two days ago, protesters amassed outside a McDonald's Shareholders' meeting in Chicago. They demanded the company started paying their roughly 850,000 workers in the U.S. a $15.00 minimum wage. Do the protesters really want to get their wish? What would happen if they did? Working at McDonald's is not that complicated. So would a $15.00 wage drive further automation and lead to mass layoffs?

No one really knows, but that's a concern and we brought it up with “Dirty Jobs” host Mike Rowe. Here was his view.

Mike Rowe, thanks for joining us.

Rowe – I wouldn't miss it.

Carlson – So protesters are gathered outside McDonald's across the country demanding higher wages.

Rowe – Huh!

Carlson – And so, on the one hand, I'm always sympathetic to people who want to get paid more, especially for jobs that are hard and long. On the other hand, at what point does McDonald's decide we're replacing you with automation, with robots?

Rowe – Probably this point... or probably soon. I don't have a crystal ball. I mean, but everybody I've talked to is going back again and again, to the uh, well, they call it the threat of automation. I mean the headlines that I'm seeing are how computers are going to “steal” our jobs. And, I don't know if it really makes sense to anthropomorphize it, like, I don't think computers are going around, like, twirling their mustache and laughing maniacally. It's gonna happen. It's gonna happen as surely as the Internet messed up the TV, and the TV messed up cinema, and cinema disrupted radio, and radio messed up the newspapers, and Kindle screwed up the booksellers. And so it goes. But, I don't think it's anything to panic over. I think it's going to happen, but as it relates to the minimum wage conversation, and as it relates to labor and management, the only thing I can add to it is, with my foundation we try and remind people that learning a skill that's actually in demand, negates the whole conversation. If you can weld, if you can... if you're a plumber, if you're an electrician, if you're willing to learn a skill that has a pre-existing demand, then you don't have to constantly negotiate and talk about a few extra dollars in order to stay in a position. But frankly, I don't know how advance in that kind of thinking. [Just demanding a raise because the cost of living is constantly going up.] So our philosophy is pretty simple. Um... if you have a skill and that skill is in demand you can work where you want, and you can write your own ticket. If you don't, you're gonna have to hope the next negotiation works out and the next minimum wage position falls favorably in your direction; which strikes me as fatalistic.

Carlson – That's such a common sense point, and you...

Rowe – No, I can't help it, I can't...

Carlson – No, but it makes an inherent and unassailable sense. So, why aren't our schools teaching some percentage of our kids to do the same thing?

Rowe – As we've discussed before, I think we've got it in our heads that there's a category of good jobs and bad jobs, that there's a category of good education and bad education – we don't call it that, we call it “higher education” and “alternative education” - but look, it's fun with the language, right? But the minute you categorize an entire vertical of education as alternative, you might as well call it subordinate. So the message starts early on. If you go to a trade school, you're going to have to settle for a “second class” job, or some kind of consolation prize. And so parents don't want that for their kids, guidance counselors don't want that for their schools. So, all of these opportunities that today constitute 5.6 million available jobs – open jobs – that are sitting there – they don't get any press, the don't get any love because somewhere back in the reptilian part of our brain we believe they're sub-standard. That's dumb...

Carlson – But they pay well. What I'm confused by is so many of our young people end up in what they're calling the “sharing economy”, where a few billionaires in Silicon Valley exploit them for nothing, to rent their apartment out of a B&B, drive your car for Uber, these are jobs that pay many times that, right? Or am I missing it?

Rowe – Well, look it's hard, it's tempting to take a cookie cutter approach to everything and put... what's a news anchor get? Do you work in Des Moines? Well, same thing with welding. You know, if you've got your certificate to weld and you're in Oklahoma you might start at $45,000 a year. A year later, you might be in say, western North Dakota making $120,000, or in the Gulf Coast doing better than that. The skill goes where you go, and this is another thing schools don't teach. If you have a skill that's in demand, it's innate in you wherever...

Carlson – It's portable.

Rowe – Yeah! I mean, it's inherently mobile. It's not... you don't have to go to the McDonald's – with respect, right? I mean, you don't have to go to the retailer and stand behind the counter and wait for the business to come, you can... No one talks about the path that small businesses that trades represent, there's no talk about it, but, on my old show I can't tell you how many people I ran into who had a small business, who had employees, who had multiple trucks, but started with a skill. So, my thing with the minimum wage and with automation and all of it is that anything we do that knocks the bottom rungs off of the ladder that we all must surely climb is self-defeating. So, if getting to $15.00/hour hastens automation and therefore eliminates thousands of opportunities for kids – who by the way are not just learning how to flip a burger, but to tuck in their shirt and show up at work on time – all this basic stuff, I mean how else do you learn that stuff except by being in your first or second job? We're going to arbitrage logic right out of the equation, and then, R2D2, take a bow.

Carlson – (Laughs)

Rowe – (Smiling says) That's not bad!

Carlson – Good, that's very good. By the way, you're not reading anything, I can assure our viewers. That was... (snapping his fingers).

Rowe – No, I can't read, tragically. (Smiling again.)

Carlson – (Laughing again)

Rowe – I mean, this is something we should talk about in the future.

Carslon – Yes, literacy. Mike Rowe, it's always nice to see you.

Rowe – Likewise.

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